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Tag: Charles Murray

Boys should not be pushed into STEM fields?

I just read a blog post linked by Luke in the “Other Posts of Note” list over at the Sonlight Blog. The title of the blog post is Stop telling boys to go into STEM and it is just wrong on so many levels I do not even know where to start. First, the idea that there are too many STEM majors is questionable at best. Read this article and this article to start then google it for more articles and lots of research on both sides of this issue. The upshot, though, is that STEM majors make a lot more money whether or not they chose to work in a STEM field. In addition, the author inadvertently makes a very important point when she tells the following anecdote:

Lest you think I’m just being negative toward men, this is actually something a man told me. I had an English professor who was one of the best college teachers I’d had, I think in part because he was very knowledgeable in science. In fact, he’d received a degree in engineering from Stanford but then shuffled around for several years before finally getting a master’s degree in English. During one conversation, I asked him why he got a degree in engineering when he really loved literature.

It is arguable that a STEM degree is better preparation for non-STEM work than many non-STEM degrees. Our daughter Kelly took a similar path by earning a STEM degree (Statistics) all the time knowing she never wanted to work in a STEM job. She has gone on from that Statistics degree to further education in a non-STEM field–several schools offered her funded PhD’s in Marketing. She chose University of Washington. There is no way she would have been accepted into the program after her Bachelors degree following the normal trajectory which typically includes a non-STEM BS, some relevant work and an MBA in Marketing. That she gets the Math and can “do” big data got her in the door. 

I guess the issue centers more on the fact that liberal arts degrees are not highly valued in the work place. There is absolutely more academic and intellectual rigor required to earn a STEM degree than a typical liberal arts degree. It has been argued that many hiring managers view many liberal arts degrees as similar to having no degree at all. See here. My argument is not that non-STEM work is not valuable, but that there are better ways to prepare for it than getting a non-STEM undergraduate degree. I think the answer is to change the non-STEM degrees so they ARE valuable by adding rigor including more Math, Statistics, and Computer programming. Maybe less people would enter those fields, but that is right in line with Charles Murray’s idea about too many people going to college anyway.

And don’t get me started on pushing people toward anything based on their gender. It is abjectly elitist and sexist to do that. So what if a person’s culture, value system or worldview pushes a woman toward a “feminine” field. It is THEIR culture, value system and worldview, not yours. Why is your idea about what they should do better than theirs? Additionally, the sexes ARE different from each other, even (if not especially) in the way their brains operate. Maybe men ARE inherently better at math (a religious discussion onto itself), but even if it is just a cultural construct, who is anyone else to say what is right for given individuals whatever their sex. Why do the self-appointed academic elites get to chose what is right and, therefore, what gets pushed when it is a decidedly unscientific “right or wrong”, personal choice kind of question.

It is a luxury to be able to do what one loves as anything other than an avocation if it does not put food on the table. If you do something you love and it does not pay the rent, someone else has to pick up the tab. If that someone is a spouse, an ancestor who gave you a big inheritance or some other benefactor, good for you. The sad part of all this is that it is off “we the people” who end up paying via ill-advised uses of our tax monies. If such a luxury is not immediately available, it is probably a pretty good idea to a get a job that pays well enough to eat, then work your way into the vocation you love. A STEM degree is not a bad way to do that. The probability that you will make enough money for following your dream is much higher if you start with a STEM degree whether you end up deciding to work in a STEM field after that or not.

Is average intelligence rising or falling in the world?

The Bell Curve, Intelligence and Class Structure in American LifeThe subject of intelligence is fascinating to me. Our family has worked hard to do well in school and we have had some success, but we have no illusions about the idea that we are super intelligent. My peers at work are generally a lot smarter than I; the only reason I get to play in their sandbox is because I have worked in the field longer than the vast bulk of them and have picked up a lot of tricks. Experience is the great equalizer. Charles Murray and Richard Hernnstein wrote a controversial book about it titled The Bell Curve about the impact of race and culture on measured intelligence. My take on that was that if culture has an effect on intelligence, maybe work ethic and dedication to lifetime learning might shove my kids up the intelligence curve a little and make their lives better.
The other day, while reading one of my favorite blogs, down in the comments I saw a reference to an something called the Flynn Effect. Wikipedia describes it this way:

The Flynn effect is the substantial and long-sustained increase in both fluid and crystallized intelligence test scores measured in many parts of the world from roughly 1930 to the present day.

Wikipedia does a pretty good job of describing the effect and it makes good sense, but that very same day I ran into this article that says that with the rise in population, intelligence falls. This article has several more references that back up the idea that idea that intelligence is on the decline and for more reasons than just an increase in population. I am kind of not sure what to think about the whole thing. Probably a good mindset to have on all this is to do something about the things over which I have control–teach my kids a strong work ethic and the importance of lifelong learning.

Betty Blonde #155 – 02/18/2009
Betty Blonde #155
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NCSU First day at University

Day 312 of 1000

Kelly's and Christian's first day at NCSUWe are running out of “first day of school” picture opportunities.  If all goes well, the kids will be off to graduate school in a couple of years, but we doubt whether we will be there to take the picture.  We often talk about the concept of life-long learning, so maybe I am wrong.  I hope so.  Our departed friend, John Sterling often told us about a fellow, I think it was Beach Paddon who just kept going to college.  My understanding is that he got a new Masters degree every now and then.

This is a favorite topic of Charles Murray the co-author of, Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life.  Christian and I have spoken about how cool it would be to continue getting Masters degrees as a hobby after he finishes his “real” school.  That is one way to continue learning, but self-teaching and pursuit of knowledge not readily available in college through alternate means are other good ways to keep learning.  Homeschooling certainly served me well in that regard.  Kelly has a sense for what she wants to do when she gets out of college and she will have to continually study and work to make it happen.  Her school will give her something to do that she enjoys and will pay the rent, but her vocation lies in a completely separate direction.

At any rate, we have hit another milestone.  The kids are stressed and excited.  Lorena and I are a little bit melancholy.

Charles Murray: Community College is OK, but think long and hard before doing a BA

Day 53 of 1000

Charles Murray authored a book titled Real Education: Four Simple Truths for Bringing America’s Schools Back to Reality.  It is about the bankruptcy of the American education system.  He is a big proponent of the idea that it is bad to get a Bachelors degrees that costs tens of thousands of dollars in communications, sociology, or some other soft field where the few available jobs do not pay enough to retire debt incurred to get the degree in the first place.  He and Peter Thiel, one of the founders of Pay-Pal, teamed up to defeat two academics from Duke and Northwestern University on the topic “Too Many Kids Go to College“.

I think Murray and Thiel have a very strong case, but the thing that caught my eye in the article was this statement by Murray during the debate:

When I agreed to debate on too many kids are going to college, I thought of college as being four-year colleges leading to the BA. I didn’t think of it as a whole range of community colleges and the rest. Anyway, that’s the way I’m going to argue tonight because if the proposition were that too many kids are trying to get more education and training after high school, I wouldn’t have accepted the position on the affirmative. Almost everybody needs more education after high school. What they don’t need is to chase after this fraudulent, destructive, antediluvian thing called a BA. The thesis of my argument really is that the BA is the work of the devil.

I think Murray has it just about right. A BA is OK for some kids, but a whole lot more kids need to do self-learning or get their education in apprenticeships and community college certificate programs.  I think he has it just about right.  Kelly got very high score on her college entrance ACT, has the right ethnicity, does volunteer work, knows the right people, and could probably get into one of the Ivy’s.  Her cousin has degrees from both Dartmouth and Harvard.  One of Kelly’s schoolmates is a high school senior who is dual-enrolled with Kelly at the community college.  He is applying to ALL of the Ivy’s as well as Duke, Stanford, and some other big name expensive colleges.

Kelly asked me, “Should I be applying at the Ivy’s, too?”

Her question was answered for her when she saw this image from Dom Giordano’s Facebook page.  She can go to Stanford or an Ivy for grad school on a teaching or research assistantship.  Which would I rather have as an employee, a self-satisfied, entitled kid with an Ivy League education or this guy?  It is a no-brainer.  I want this guy:

Update:  It appears the 99% Occupy crowd is active in Eugene, Oregon.  Seems about right.

Update II
:  More education sob stories from NRO.

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