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Oddly productive, unproductive weekend

Kiwi and I studying hard over the weekend
Lorena and I planned to drive to Wichita last Friday for a working weekend. I turned out that the people with whom we were to work planned to leave after lunch on Saturday so we decided a conference call working session made a lot more sense than twelve hours of driving followed by four hours of work. I have a ton of things to accomplish at my day job and planned to spend the bulk of what time I had left on the weekend for that. I accomplished two things: the conference call (four hours on Saturday morning) and a lot of “contemplation” sessions with Kiwi like the one shown in the image above. Well, there was a little bit more to it than that–Kelly and Christian both called and we talked for long stretches on life and their current paths.

The talks with Kelly and Christian were the most productive parts of the weekend. Christian is at about the halfway point of his PhD program, living through the pain of his third Tempe summer and the bloom of graduate school is definitely off the rose. He is in a good place with his work–he and his professor are performing the final edits on a paper about the research he has performed over the last two years which they will submit in the next week or so. On the other hand, he spends so much time working, there is little time for anything else, so he is looking forward to the day when he can get a regular job where he goes to work in the morning, goes home in the evening and has weekends off–all in a place where the daytime temperature only hits triple digits four or five days per year.

Kelly, on the other hand, is not so enamored with the actual day to day work of her degree. She does not think she wants to do marketing research and/or be an academic, so she is trying to decide whether to finish where she just to have her graduate school complete forever, or switch graduate schools and go back to a degree and field that is a little bit more rigorous–probably in the use of statistics. It is a hard decision, but she has a great opportunity to go either way. The good thing is that she is thinking about it objectively. It might be worth it to just finish out–she is in a good place to do that academically, but if she hates it, she might be better served to step back, reconsider what she wants and move onto something for which she has a passion.

Statistics is queen

Our friend Francois, a professor at NCSU told us that if Kelly got a degree in Statistics then went on to something in the Humanities or Business, she would be the “queen of the department” wherever she went. We thought that was pretty cool at the time, but had not thought about it much since then. Kelly got accepted into a great PhD program and then struggled. On average, everyone else in the program was eight years older than her, the youngest being three years older than her when they started. Almost all of them had an MBA and three to five years of experience before they entered the PhD program. There were a couple who went straight from their undergraduate degree to the PhD program, but had a fairly extensive undergraduate research experience. Kelly, on the other hand, was literally, just two years out of high school, or at least that was how old she was when she started.

She has struggled because she was in the habit of taking hard classes that would help her in her understanding of Statistics and not the general Business leveling classes. She has done great in her TA’ing duties and her classes. She knew (knows) how to deal with hard technical material and with people. She started slowly on her RA’ing tasks, but know that she knows what is expected, she excels. The challenge was the research. She had no background at all in formal, technical research. She has struggled. She has her first formal, publication quality paper due in the second week of February. Her work habits were really pretty good by the end of her undergraduate degree at NCSU, but no where near the level she needed to operate at the PhD level. She has hammered away at it though, and today she is performing at a higher level than she ever might have thought she was capable.

So the payback is that her roommate who is in precisely the same program as Kelly, but seven years older with a PhD professor (Dean, actually) father, is coming to Kelly for help on the truly hard stuff. It is a sweet thing, when you have done the truly hard stuff, to enjoy the benefits and security of having it behind you. Congratulations to Kelly. You can not beat a hard STEM degree, no matter what you go on to do after.

Betty Blonde #470 – 04/29/2010
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The race to the first year paper

Kelly studies for her first year paperLorena just came back from Seattle. She was up there for about five days to help Kelly because she has time for nothing but studying. In her PhD program she has to do two formal papers in addition to her dissertation. They are full-blown research projects with experiments and formal write-ups good enough they are often published in scholarly journals. Since first year students generally have never done such formal research, they have to learn everything from scratch. That was certainly true for Kelly. Kelly’s presentation of her first year paper takes place the second week of February and she is working every waking hour on the paper, her TA responsibilities, research for her advisor and the classes she has to take.

Lorena went up to help her get caught up on shopping, house cleaning, laundry, etc., etc. We have decide Lorena will go up for a few days every other week until Kelly finishes her paper. Her qualifying exams are scheduled for July so she will only get a short reprieve before she gets slammed with work again. Then another short reprieve and another push to her second year paper. After that, the work will be tough but not so time sensitive. Having Lorena there for a week helped a ton. We need to do the same thing for Christian, too, but he has already passed his quals, so his next big thing is his dissertation.

Betty Blonde #469 – 04/28/2010
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A reminiscence about a University of Chicago math PhD

Here is a very engaging story William Dembski wrote about one of his dissertation advisors from University of Chicago who recently passed away. The discussion of the some of the process when he got his (second) PhD with respect to selection of a dissertation topic, dissertation advisors and sometimes unavoidable problems with finishing a dissertation was not only interesting but pertinent with respect to Christian’s current work/school life. It truly can be a hard slog to finish up. That is especially true if the dissertation advisor is not engaged and/or has personality conflicts with the students. There are tons of horror stories on this topic. It makes me happy that both Kelly and Christian appear to have found good advisors for their doctoral work.

Betty Blonde #462 – 04/19/2010
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Christian’s (technical) PhD blog

Christan started a blog to record his thoughts on the technical stuff he is doing for his PhD. So far he has one post up titled Thoughts about Extracting Information from Sequences of Noisy Observations. It is one of those inside baseball kind of blogs where I think you have to be in the field to understand what it is all about. I do not understand much, but am going to try to give it a more thorough read when I get a chance. The graphics are great. He did them with Inkscape, a great open source vector graphics tool.

Betty Blonde #448 – 04/05/2010
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Flying to Tempe for a drive to Asilomar

Christian is scheduled to deliver a conference paper on his research at the Asilomar Conference on Signals, Systems and Computers on Monday. I do not know what is the title of his paper, but it is heavy on Information Theory (see here, here and here) and has to do with radio communication, but applies to everything under the sun, probably especially the whole Internet of Things meme. I took a half day off today so I can fly down to Arizona and drive with Christian up to Pacific Grove, California, the home of the Asilomar Conference grounds. We could have flown, but he is not yet old enough to rent a car to get around and he also wants to stop in LA to visit a buddy from North Carolina State who is there to get a PhD at UCLA in Math.

We are looking forward to the trip, but it is going to be a marathon practice session with me driving and him delivering his paper a gazillion times until he has it down cold. I want to at least an inkling of understanding about his work, but I do not hold out much hope because it is pretty dense. His paper will go into the conference proceedings, but he wants to add some new insights into it and turn it into his first refereed, first-author journal article. I need to remember to take some pictures on the way there.

Betty Blonde #418 – 02/22/2010
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Riding to Seattle on the train

Kelly and Dad UW November 2015
Lorena and I drove up to Vancouver, Washington after work on Friday to catch a train to Seattle. The train ride was wonderful. It was the first time I was able to go up there, but I hope it will not be the last. Kelly was at a party so we took an Uber ride to her apartment from the train station. That was my first Uber ride. I am never going to take another taxi if I can at all avoid it. It was just unbelievably efficient and convenient. I had no sympathy for the taxi systems in the big cities before Uber. I have less sympathy now.

We got up early, walked to a little hole-in-the-wall restaurant by Kelly’s apartment and had an amazing breakfast. There were a ton of great little restaurants all over the place. We promised Kelly and ourselves we would make our way back up there a lot more often to try out more of them. After breakfast, Kelly and I went to the coffee shop where she does a lot of her studying. I worked and she studied while Lorena ran out and did errands. I got nostalgic for our study at the Hill and Hunt libraries back in Raleigh when the kids were at North Carolina State.

Both the kids are going through a lot of pain in their programs right now. When they set out to do something hard with their schooling ten years ago or so, we knew there would be some rough patches and they are both in what can only be described as a grind. Christian just finished his Quals and has to deliver his first conference paper at an Information Theory conference in Asilomar, California next week. Kelly has her first year paper due in January and her Quals in July. She has some very intense Teaching Assistant and Research Assistant duties on top of it all.

This point of their PhD degree work is nothing more than a horrible grind. They barely have time to sleep because it is just one deadline after another and I think it can be a little daunting and discouraging. They will be at the halfway point soon, so there is light at the end of the tunnel. One of the things I have to remind them is that the point of all this work is to give them the skills and credentials to get a good job. That is all. It is not necessary to even stay in the field they studied. When this is done, they have something real they can use to get a good job, but it should not define their life. Too many people get their degree and think it somehow entitles them to unwarranted and unrealistic levels of respect and success. It does not. Life is just getting started when school ends.

Betty Blonde #415 – 02/7/2010
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Christian passes his PhD quals

Studying Singapore Math in Albany
The kids and I spent many, many hours laying on the floor or sitting at the kitchen table or on the sofa correcting homework, reading, drawing, etc., etc., etc. On Friday, Christian hit a new milestone by passing his PhD qualifying examination. He has not finished his schooling yet, but has moved from PhD student status to PhD candidate status. He has anywhere between two and a half and four years before he has a chance of finishing, but that he passed his PhD qualifying examination on Friday was a very big deal. Many of the people with whom I have spoken on the topic say that is often the most difficult single part of the PhD process. Lorena and I looked at a bunch of old pictures while we celebrated and got a little nostalgic. Mostly we reminisced about how fast it all went. All-in-all, because we sent the kids to government school for three years (counting kindergarten), we homeschooled them only a total of seven years and one of Christian’s years was really preschool. We would not trade those years for anything.

Betty Blonde #408 – 02/08/2010
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Christian prepares for his qualifying exam

Christian driving to his PhD qualifying examChristian sent me the paper he wrote as partial fulfillment of his qualifying examination and will turn it in later today. He does the oral qualification examination for his PhD on Friday, his last day as a teenager. What a great way to leave teenager-hood. Actually, he has done much more than we ever anticipated he might do by this time in his life. He has a few more classes after this, but the bulk of his time will be spent on identification of a research topic (he has a pretty good idea what it will be, but needs more specifics) followed by research for his dissertation.

Betty Blonde #400 – 01/27/2010
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So how did his presentation go?

See yesterday’s post for the back story on Christian’s presentation at MIT Lincoln Laboratory.

Read especially the part where I say, “Lorena and I are on pins and needles waiting to hear how it went.”

Three hours after the presentation we have heard nothing so I text him, “Give me a call when you are out.”

Over a half hour after my text, I get the following message back (sic):

I wont be out for a while.
Going to donner
It went well

That was the sum total. Ha, ha, ha!

Betty Blonde #379 – 12/29/2009
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Christian presents his research

Christian at Logan Airport, Boston on MIT Lincoln Lab visitIf I have the time right, Christian, at this very moment, is presenting his Information Theory research at MIT Lincoln Laboratory. This is the first time he has done this kind of formal presentation (with a tie and all that). It is the culmination of a full year of research in a brand new (to Christian) area of Mathematics and Electrical Engineering. Lorena and I are on pins and needles waiting to hear how it went. If all goes well, this should eventually turn into a refereed conference paper and, with expanded research and content, possibly even a refereed journal article.

The next step after will be his “quals” presentation which will be this same research work but to his doctoral committee back at Arizona State. I am not sure what happens after that, but it probably has something to do with preparation for “prelims” or “comprehensive exams” which are usually pretty challenging.

Betty Blonde #378 – 12/28/2009
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Math Honors ceremony with Dr. Paur

Day 973 of 1000

Math Honors ceremony at NCSU

Christian’s academic adviser, Dr. Sandra Paur, hosted a small ceremony yesterday to honor the graduating Mathematics Honors students at NCSU.  Kelly was there and took the picture at the right when it was Christian’s turn.  Dr. Paur talked a little bit about what each student had done and where they were going next.  Because this was the math department, most of the students were going on to Math or Statistics degrees at an impressive array of schools.  Christian was the only one going on to an Engineering degree.

We learned several interesting things from the event.  First, many very big name schools value North Carolina Mathematics graduates.  Several students were going on to PhD’s in Mathematics and Statistics at Stanford and Berkeley.  Several of those students had been awarded NSF grants for their Mathematics research at the undergraduate level. Almost all the students who had received those awards had spent their entire four years at NCSU and were better versed in the way the system works for those kinds of things than us.  Some of the other students also were able to start sequences in their first two years that were not available to Christian at the community college, so he had to scramble the whole way through to get all the material he wanted.  I still believe that the kids were profoundly better served for many reasons to have attended community college for their first two year, but I can see the benefit of learning and working within the system over the entire four years.

Secondly, all the other students who were going on to graduate school were continuing to Mathematics or Statistics degrees.  That is great and I think Christian was a little torn about that.  He would have loved to study more Mathematics.  Still, in the case of both Kelly and Christian, their Mathematics and Statistics undergraduate degrees have served them extremely well in preparation for graduate work in other areas.  I am very happy they studied Mathematics and Statistics and I am even happier they are going on to graduate degrees in other areas, Engineering and Business, where the application of the skills they learned will be applied to real world problems as opposed to the development of tools to apply to other people’s problems as is generally the case in Mathematics and Statistics research.

Finally, Dr. Paur let the cat out of the bag about Christian having skipped high school. I did not understand the extent to which Christian kept this a secret.  I knew that Kelly had told their fairly small circle of friends at the beginning of this year and they were all pretty shocked.  Kelly was in the room when Dr. Paur made the announcement and she said many of the professors there were very surprised with the revelation. I have never met Dr. Paur. I have tried to stay completely out of the way of the kids college education because I feel it is important that the kids “own” what they do at school.  So I am very gratified that Christian has had such a stellar academic adviser. Dr. Paur is not only a great teacher, but was just perfect in the way she helped and guided Christian through his degree.  I hope to meet her to express my thanks at the graduation.

Betty Blonde #104 – 12/09/2008
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The route to a PhD in Business is usually a long one

Day 969 of 1000

We often spoke about vocation when the kids were in Jr. High and High School.  Our idea was that it was important to follow a vocation for love, but if that vocation was something like Business, Psychology, Sociology, or some other social science, then it would help a lot to first get a technical Bachelors degree in something like Mathematics, Statistics, Chemistry, or some such with possible a minor or second major in the field of interest.  That would be followed by at least a Masters degree in the social science or business.  I have already talked about this a number of times because we are so thrilled this worked so well for Kelly as she has decided she wants to go on to a Business PhD.  The concept was never really tested with Christian because he was technical from the get-go.

I said all that to lead up to this: Kelly skipped two years of high school to graduate with a Bachelors degree two years early from college.  I repeatedly told her that is a really big deal, but it was always overshadowed somewhat by the fact that Christian skipped all four years of high school to graduate from college four years earlier than normal.  So now something kind of cool is happening for Kelly.  It turns out that most Business PhD students at tier one Universities got into the program by first getting an undergraduate degree in Business.  Even if they knew they wanted to go on to a PhD in Business, they have to work for 4-6 years in industry so they can get accepted into a good MBA program.  Only then do they start to apply for PhD programs.  So typically, a student would be 22 years old when they graduate with their Bachelors degree.  The five years experience takes them to 27 years old.  An really good MBA program usually takes two years.  So most of the people who apply are in their late twenties or early thirties.

On the other hand, Engineering PhD’s often start right out of their Masters degree at 22 or 23.  Of course there are a good number of older students, but it is a lot more normal for engineering students to start their PhD in their early 20’s.  Christian will start his PhD at age 18.  Since Kelly is starting her PhD in Business at age 20, that means there will be a significantly greater difference in age between Kelly and her classmates than Christian and his classmates.  In addition to that, their schools are 1400 miles apart.  Kelly will almost certainly not have to deal with that overshadowing thing anymore!

Betty Blonde #103 – 12/08/2008
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Christian finally pulls the PhD trigger

Day 958 of 1000

Lorena wrote just about all that needs to be said on her facebook wall yesterday:

Congratulations to Christian! It was a hard choice, but he accepted the selective Dean’s Fellowship from the Fulton School of Engineering for a PhD in Electrical Engineering at Arizona State University. The award includes a full scholarship for his degree coupled with a first year research grant. Christian will will receive sponsorship by MIT Lincoln Labs for his research and will work there during the summers while he is getting his degree. Ken and I think it was easily the best choice.

Christian picks Arizona State University

Betty Blonde #98 – 12/01/2008
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Trying to figure out what school to go attend

Day 941 of 1000

The National Academy of Sciences has a research ranking report for Universities.  You can download the report here. It seems to be pretty rigorous in the way it looks at different schools and provides a ton of information.  It is profoundly better than the almost worthless US News rankings.  Christian is still trying to decide where to go, so we have extracted some information from the report relevant to his decision.  I pasted the stuff we put together below.  The big take-aways are that Duke is WAY overrated as and Electrical Engineering school and we had no idea that Arizona State was so high (above schools like Carnegie Mellon, Brown, Ohio State, Case Western Reserve, Johns Hopkins, Washington and Texas A&M, on par with schools like Penn State, UCSD, UTexas and Michigan).  It was a very interesting exercise

Here are our notes:

I downloaded the official report from which PhD.org rankings are derived.  There are two ways they rank in a VERY rigorous way.  Everyone believes this is the best.  Here are descriptions of the rankings and the rankings themselves.  ASU is VERY high in both rankings:  I put the rankings of some very big name schools along with those for ASU.  ASU is high in the most important rankings, but also high in the peer evaluation rankings (you have to scroll down to see that).  One thing I noticed that the peer evaluations say Duke is right up at the top while the REAL measures say they stink.  ASU kills them.  ASU is also WAY above Texas A&M, NCSU, and Washington in the same range as UT, UCSD, and Penn State on all the measures.  Those are amazing rankings and pretty surprising in how high ASU is ranked.

R Ranking (based on the actual quality of the professors at the school — this is the most important one because it is based on actually work performed rather than people’s ideas about what is good)

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R Rankings (for regression-based rankings) depend on the weights calculated from faculty ratings of a sample of programs in their field. These ratings were related, through a multiple regression and principal components analysis, to the 20 characteristics that the committee had determined to be factors of program quality. The resulting weights were then applied to data corresponding to those characteristics for each of the programs in the field.

5th percentile
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University of Texas is ranked 13
UCSD is ranked 14
Arizona State is ranked 15
Penn State is ranked 16
Texas A&M is ranked 22
Washington is ranked 31
CSU is ranked 47
Duke is ranked 4800

95th percentile
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University of Texas is ranked 12
UCSD is ranked 14
Penn State is ranked 15
Arizona State is ranked 16
Texas A&M is ranked 20
Washington is ranked 28
NCSU is ranked 42
Duke is ranked 43

STANFORD UNIVERSITY
GEORGIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
HARVARD UNIVERSITY
PRINCETON UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-SANTA BARBARA
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-BERKELEY
UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS AT URBANA-CHAMPAIGN
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
PURDUE UNIVERSITY MAIN CAMPUS
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-LOS ANGELES
UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN-ANN ARBOR
UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-SAN DIEGO
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY
PENN STATE UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL FLORIDA
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA COLUMBIA
NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY
TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA-TWIN CITIES
OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY MAIN CAMPUS
UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND COLLEGE PARK
VIRGINIA POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE AND STATE UNIVERSITY
CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY
CORNELL UNIVERSITY
IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY
YALE UNIVERSITY
CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON
UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA
RENSSELAER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE
COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK
UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN-MADISON
RICE UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF IOWA
UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO AT BOULDER
UNIVERSITY OF DAYTON
BOSTON UNIVERSITY
JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA
BROWN UNIVERSITY
WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY IN ST. LOUIS
DUKE UNIVERSITY
NEW JERSEY INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
NORTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS MAIN CAMPUS
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-SANTA CRUZ
UNIVERSITY OF CONNECTICUT

S Ranking (based on how professors ranked schools other than their own so it is OK, but not as good, because it is about what people think of a school, not actual measures)
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S Rankings (for survey-based rankings) are based on how faculty weighted—or assigned importance to—20 characteristics that the study committee determined to be factors contributing to program quality. The weights of characteristics vary by field based on faculty survey responses in each of those fields. Programs in a field rank higher if they demonstrate strength in the characteristics carrying greater weights.

5th percentile
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Duke is ranked 17
Arizona State is ranked 20
Penn State is ranked 21
UCSD is ranked 22
University of Texas is ranked 45
Washington is ranked 50
Texas A&M is ranked 57
NCSU is ranked 82

95th percentile
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Duke is ranked 17
Penn State is ranked 20
Arizona State is ranked 21
UCSD is ranked 24
Washington is ranked 37
University of Texas is ranked 45
Texas A&M is ranked 51
NCSU is ranked 78

STANFORD UNIVERSITY
PRINCETON UNIVERSITY
HARVARD UNIVERSITY
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-SANTA BARBARA
UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS AT URBANA-CHAMPAIGN
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA COLUMBIA
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-BERKELEY
MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL FLORIDA
YALE UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN-ANN ARBOR
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-LOS ANGELES
NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY
GEORGIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
PURDUE UNIVERSITY MAIN CAMPUS
DUKE UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS MAIN CAMPUS
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-RIVERSIDE
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY
PENN STATE UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-SAN DIEGO
CORNELL UNIVERSITY
CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY
OREGON HEALTH AND SCIENCE UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA-TWIN CITIES
CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY
IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY
BROWN UNIVERSITY
VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF DAYTON
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-SANTA CRUZ
UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA
RENSSELAER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE
BOSTON UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN-MADISON
JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY
MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND COLLEGE PARK
UNIVERSITY OF CONNECTICUT
RICE UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY
VIRGINIA POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE AND STATE UNIVERSITY
UNIVERSITY OF IOWA
UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN
OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY MAIN CAMPUS
RENSSELAER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE
UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME
UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON

Betty Blonde #91 – 11/20/2008
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Complaints about homeschooling

Day 936 of 1000

We took two shots at homeschooling.  We homeschooled Kelly’s first grade year between a year of traditional (Christian) kindergarten and second grade.  We put both Kelly and Christian into government school for three years starting with Kelly’s second grade year and Christian’s kindergarten year.  When we realized that traditional schools (government and private) were almost universally bad in terms of both education and socialization, we pulled them out to homeschool them again when Christian entered the third grade and Kelly the fifth.  We are still grateful for the abysmal quality of the Albany, Oregon public schools for being abysmal enough that we knew we had to do something.  I have written about this at length in this blog and have piles of handwritten notes that describe our pain and frustration during these difficult transitions.

We got hammered pretty hard for that decision by family, friends (so called), school administrators, acquaintances, and even a few strangers in the street.  I used to think some of them were well meaning in their criticism, but am less inclined to think the vast bulk of the criticism was benevolent in any way now that a few years have passed.  We have well adjusted, humble, kind kids who both get along quite well with their college peers and excel academically.  There is no way you could know whether the socialization part of that last statement is true without spending a little time with them, but the academic part is fairly well established.

Christian is on schedule to graduate Summa Cum Laude with a degree in Applied Mathematics from a nationally recognized program.  Many of you know that he skipped highschool to enter college after the eighth grade.  He has received two funded PhD offers to tier one research Universities.  He plans to accept the one that offered a prestigious (double) Dean’s Fellowship (not RA/not TA–Fellowship) along with sponsorship by a National Research Lab affiliated with MIT.  He will work for the professor who wrote the principle textbook used in his field of research.

Kelly is on schedule to graduate Magna Cum Laude with a degree in Statistics at arguably one of the top 5 Statistics programs in the country.  Anyone who has read this blog knows she skipped two years of highschool to enter college after the tenth grade as a Senior.  The only reason she stayed two years instead of just one is because she had to finish some sequences that took two years.  She, too, received two funded PhD offers from national research universities and has chosen to study under a well-known, highly published professor who succeeded in the military and succeeded (wildly) as an entrepreneur before he returned to academia.

The thing that is interesting is that we have started getting complaints and unsolicited advise about the kids chosen path again.  We hear some of the following:

  • Why are you going there?  That is a horrible place to live.
  • Why would anyone want to get a PhD?  It is a waste of time.
  • People who get PhD’s are all arrogant.
  • Why would you get a degree in Business?
  • Why would you get a degree in Electrical Engineering?
  • Why don’t you go have some fun (as if doing something like this is not fun and rewarding)?

I guess it is a good thing we have been through this once or twice before.

Update:  On the plane from Raleigh to Phoenix yesterday, while explaining how his brilliant 18 year old daughter had just gotten accepted to a liberal arts program at UNC Chapel Hill, told me it was bad for Kelly and Christian to have missed out on so much important socialization.  His daughter went to the Green Hope High government school in Cary.  Here is a story on a teacher from Green Hope High who was indicted for child sex crimes.  Here is a story on the drug culture at Green Hope.

Betty Blonde #86 – 11/13/2008
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Christian’s brutal PhD recruiting trip

Day 925 of 1000

Christian’s PhD recruiting trip schedule was tough. Here is what he did:

  • Wednesday morning – Go to class at NCSU
  • Wednesday afternoon – Fly to San Diego (NC time–in bed after 1:00 AM)
  • Thursday morning – Up early to go do day one at UCSD (NC time–in bed after midnight)
  • Friday morning – Normal day, but in bed after midnight
  • Saturday morning – Up at 4:00 AM to fly to Phoenix
  • Saturday morning – Meets dad at airport, goes to interview at 10:30 AM
  • Saturday afternoon – Drive to Prescott. To be early
  • Sunday morning – Up early to go to meeting
  • Sunday afternoon – Drive to Flagstaff for Gospel meeting
  • Sunday evening – Drive to Phoenix
  • Monday morning – Board plane to Raleigh at 1:00 AM
  • Monday morning – Cannot sleep or work due to crying baby (not her fault)
  • Monday morning – Mom picks him up at 8:30 AM with clean clothes (change in car)
  • Monday morning – Go to class from airport

In N Out on Christian's recruiting trip

A lot of the trip was enjoyable, but most of it was just a grind. Christian went to all the recruiting festivities at UCSD. They held similar events at Arizona State, but Christian did not attend because of the timing. Not attending was a good thing. Christian’s sense was that those events, not unlike the freshman orientation he received at NCSU are a bunch of people posturing and acting like they are having fun as to an event where there is a possibility for a semblence of enjoyment. The exceptions to that were the meetings with the professors. That went very well both at UCSD and ASU, but the social aspects of these recruiting events must be extremely painful for the grad students and the professors.

It was great that he took the trip. He found out that professor contact is the important thing while planned University events are worse than just a waste. He stated that those social events were so painful, contrived and phony that they made him profoundly less likely to want to go to the school. The meetings with the professors made it a net positive, but it would have been way better if he could have just met the professors and gone home.

Christian applied to six schools. So far, he has been accepted by UCSD, ASU, and Stanford. He has been rejected by Berkeley and has not yet heard from Washington and UCLA. If he had to chose tomorrow, Arizona State would be the winner by a big margin for a variety of reasons that we will wait to discuss another day. He might get something better from the other two schools that have not yet contacted him, but they would have to be pretty amazing for him to change.

One of the very best parts of the whole trip was our stop at In ‘N’ Out, but that kind of goes without saying.

Betty Blonde #84 – 11/11/2008
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Kelly is accepted for PhD at University of Washington

Marketing Strategy!
Kelly is accepted at University of Washington for a PhD in Marketing Strategy

Christian gets some PhD interview suits

We got Christian a sports jacket, some shirts, and a couple of suits for his PhD interviews.  He is picking them up from the tailor this morning.
Christian picks up his PhD interview suits

Graduate school update: Two schools each so far

Day 913 of 1000

Kelly and Christian have each received verbal commitments for funded PhD’s from top-tier universities–actually Christian has the received formal acceptance at one of the schools. They each applied at six schools and each of them have also been rejected by two schools.  The website at Kelly’s current top opportunity says 15 candidates are accepted out of a pool of about 500 who apply.  Christian was one of 15 out of a pool of 303 applicants who was invited to a recruiting event.  He has been offered plane tickets to fly out to two schools so far.  It took a little bit of finagling, but he is going to visit both schools.

The funny deal is the kids had personal and/or email contact with professors at most of the schools before they applied, but none for their current top choices.  In both cases, a specific professor identified something he liked about their applications and made direct contact.  I think that is probably the big key to this whole thing: to have something specific you want to do backed up with experience, classes, and skills that allows you to hit the ground running.  There are still visits and communications and a bunch of other things to do before either Kelly or Christian will be ready to commit, but at least now they have a choice.

Betty Blonde #76 – 10/30/2008
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