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Tag: Graduate school

Grad school and homeschool are about learning. Traditional high school and undergraduate degrees are about grades.

The kids made the transition from homeschool to community college four years ago, then on to big state university two years after that. We are now engaged in an on-going conversation about the differences between their undergraduate work and the work they have been given in their first year of graduate school. We are slowly arriving at the conclusion that the types of focus and goals of their graduate school work is much more similar to their homeschool experience than to their undergraduate school experience.

It seems like the goal of the community college and big state U is to give a common set of instructions and work requirements to all the students with grades as a way to determine whether any of it stuck. It is easy to understand why it is done that way. Almost everyone who gets an undergraduate degree has a common core of material they have to learn, then within disciplines there is another big chunk of classes all the students have to take, so it would be nigh unto impossible to deliver those classes in any other way in a traditional college/university setting.

The difference between that and homeschool/grad school is that there are usually one or two individuals ready, willing, and even desirous to tailor the materials for each individual student to a specific end. In the case of the grad students it is his major professor. For the homeschool student it is the parents. Both of the kids were given difficult preliminary research tasks and a handful of classes for their first semester. Their classes are more focused on getting concepts and materials to them so they can perform their research tasks. Grades are a part of it, but really, the thing on which everyone is focused is to achieve a level of understanding that will allow them to perform their research; i.e., learning.

Just like grad school, learning rather than grades is the primary goal almost all homeschool programs. That is the way it should be. Technology is changing the way undergraduate education is delivered. In virtually every case, the most effective tools are the ones that promote learning and close the feedback loop for error correction rather than just prepare a student to regurgitate facts or memorize processes for solving chemistry and math problems.

Betty Blonde #172 – 03/13/2009
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The Educational Scarlet A: American

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Betty Blonde #150 – 02/11/2009

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Graduate school update: Wearying of the process

Day 921 of 1000

Christian is at UCSD again today.  He likened the “recruiting event” to the freshman orientation he and Kelly attended when they started at NCSU.  The school plans a series of events that are supposed to be fun–mixers, dinners, hikes, etc.  The problem is that those kinds of things cant get to be pretty forced and phony, especially if it is with a bunch of kids whose only government/private high school followed by the typical undergraduate indoctrination.  That probably gets multiplied if you are an 18 year old teetotaler while everyone else is drinking, posturing, and trying to act grown up.  Today he is scueduled to get some one-on-one time with some professors, so hopefully it will get a lot better.  He made the comment that he is sure the school is a lot better than is being demonstrated by the artifcial circumstances of the recruiting event.

Update:  Life got dramatically better when Christian talked to the professor who is trying to recruit him.  It sounds like there is a very good much and Christian is pretty excited.  Now the decision to go to UCSD or ASU will be harder to make.

Betty Blonde #82 – 11/07/2008
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San Diego recruiting event

Day 920 of 1000

UCSD San Diego airport recruiting event

Christian flew to San Diego yesterday for a recruiting event put on by the University of California San Diego.  Our good friends, Al and Michele and their whole family picked him up at the airport and will drop him off at UCSD this afternoon.  They will pick him up again tomorrow night after the recruiting dinner (We owe them big time!).  He will fly to Phoenix early Saturday morning where I will pick him up to take him for a visit with a professor in the Electrical Engineering department at Arizona State University. Then we hang out the rest of the day Sunday and he takes the red-eye home Sunday night.  Good times.

Betty Blonde #81 – 11/06/2008
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Graduate school update: Two schools each so far

Day 913 of 1000

Kelly and Christian have each received verbal commitments for funded PhD’s from top-tier universities–actually Christian has the received formal acceptance at one of the schools. They each applied at six schools and each of them have also been rejected by two schools.  The website at Kelly’s current top opportunity says 15 candidates are accepted out of a pool of about 500 who apply.  Christian was one of 15 out of a pool of 303 applicants who was invited to a recruiting event.  He has been offered plane tickets to fly out to two schools so far.  It took a little bit of finagling, but he is going to visit both schools.

The funny deal is the kids had personal and/or email contact with professors at most of the schools before they applied, but none for their current top choices.  In both cases, a specific professor identified something he liked about their applications and made direct contact.  I think that is probably the big key to this whole thing: to have something specific you want to do backed up with experience, classes, and skills that allows you to hit the ground running.  There are still visits and communications and a bunch of other things to do before either Kelly or Christian will be ready to commit, but at least now they have a choice.

Betty Blonde #76 – 10/30/2008
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Big graduate school news today, but I am sworn to silence

Day 909 of 1000

The last several weeks have tried our patience. The early graduate school communications have started. There is both joy and disappointment. There are emails, phone calls, and letters flowing between the kids and potential professors, those professors’ graduate students, and school administrators. We have seen the great importance of talking to current and past graduate students. Both kids have great opportunities–not just pretty good, but great.

It is interesting that their graduate school opportunities are NOT what they might have expected when they started the process. Everyone told them that the school they attend is important, but not even remotely as important as the professor they get. That has been true in spades. It looks like both kids will have choices to make both in the location and content of their graduate degree.

The decisions will almost certainly be made well before the end of April. I am dying to say something about it all, but even though hard offers have been extended, we are still in the middle of the process. …tribulation worketh patience

Betty Blonde #72 – 10/24/2008
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Why go to graduate school?

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Betty Blonde #30 – 08/27/2008
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We have lots of discussions in our household these days about graduate school.  Both the kids plan to go on to a graduate school after their Bachelor’s degrees which they will both finish this Spring.  Our thinking has changed some on the type of degree to get and the reason for getting it.  Initially, our thinking was that it would be a good idea to first get a hard degree in mathematics or engineering, something for which there is a lot of demand in the marketplace.  Then, the reason to go on to a graduate degree was to study something for love, not money.  Thankfully, both the kids loved their technical subjects (Applied Mathematics and Statistics), so they plan to continue their work in their original areas.

So, the original reason to get a graduate degree has fallen by the wayside.  So why are they both going on?  Well, part of it is that they are both young for the degrees they have.  Even though they both thoroughly enjoyed their summer internship work experiences, they would like to stay in college a little longer.  At the same time, we have seen the economy tank here in the U.S.  We are not really sure there is a whole lot of financial security to be had by accumulating money.  It is possible to lose the money in this kind of economic reality.  So, maybe more knowledge will provide them financial security of a different sort, enhancing their ability to get work.  We do not have our thinking completely fleshed out on this.  Actually, we are struggling.  It makes it harder to plan, but we are giving it our best shot.

So, all the applications are in and most of the recommendation letters have been sent for several good graduate schools for both of the kids.  It will probably be pretty hard for them to get accepted, so the issue might be moot, but we hope to get our thinking on this a little more solidified by this Spring.  I sure it will be easier when we know what options are available.

All graduate school applications complete!

Day 830 of 1000
Betty Blonde #14 – 08/05/2008
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The graduate school applications are all complete, we had a great Thanksgiving with LOTS of leftovers, Christian has one problem left on his take-home test (the computational problem, not the really hard proofs problems), and we are reconciled to the fact that there are two and a half weeks of pretty serious pain left for this semester.  The big deal is that we are now in a waiting game to see which schools, if any, accept the kids.  We probably will not know the whole story until March or April.  At least we have that money monkey (Was that a freudian slip or what?) off our back for now.  Life is good.

Getting serious about applying to graduate school

Day 790 of 1000

I spent the weekend helping the kids work on graduate school applications.  It is a lot of work.  One of Kelly’s required three essays with a fourth optional essay and a resume.  There are a ton of GRE scores and official transcripts we have to get sent.  Everything has to be complete within the next two or three months.  While all this is going on, the kids have one of the hardest semesters of their career.  I am going to make a spreadsheet to track whether we get everything done.

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