Comments on: Dissension in the ranks http://chapmankids.net/blog/2009/06/18/dissension-in-the-ranks/ But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up. Daniel 3:18 KJV Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:54:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Luke Holzmann http://chapmankids.net/blog/2009/06/18/dissension-in-the-ranks/comment-page-1/#comment-7599 Luke Holzmann Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:29:58 +0000 http://chapmankids.net/blog/2009/06/18/dissension-in-the-ranks/#comment-7599 Thanks, Ken! ~Luke Thanks, Ken!

~Luke

]]> By: Dad http://chapmankids.net/blog/2009/06/18/dissension-in-the-ranks/comment-page-1/#comment-7596 Dad Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:10:23 +0000 http://chapmankids.net/blog/2009/06/18/dissension-in-the-ranks/#comment-7596 I very much appreciate your comment Dana. I have gone back and read through all of this. I think the what has made the discussion fruitful for me is that it was one of those rare times when I it actually dawned on me that this was a worldview discussion more than a discussion of a specific issue. When I got my arms around that, I realized that, even though we might not agree on everything, we can at least understand each other. P.S. I particularly empathize with your second comment!! Those kinds of things make me CRAZY and I do them all the time. I very much appreciate your comment Dana. I have gone back and read through all of this. I think the what has made the discussion fruitful for me is that it was one of those rare times when I it actually dawned on me that this was a worldview discussion more than a discussion of a specific issue. When I got my arms around that, I realized that, even though we might not agree on everything, we can at least understand each other.

P.S. I particularly empathize with your second comment!! Those kinds of things make me CRAZY and I do them all the time.

]]> By: Dana http://chapmankids.net/blog/2009/06/18/dissension-in-the-ranks/comment-page-1/#comment-7594 Dana Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:38:19 +0000 http://chapmankids.net/blog/2009/06/18/dissension-in-the-ranks/#comment-7594 There are.... Sorry. That was bugging me. I really do know the difference. There are….

Sorry. That was bugging me. I really do know the difference.

]]> By: Dana http://chapmankids.net/blog/2009/06/18/dissension-in-the-ranks/comment-page-1/#comment-7592 Dana Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:25:39 +0000 http://chapmankids.net/blog/2009/06/18/dissension-in-the-ranks/#comment-7592 Their are (at least) two very different worldviews, which become especially apparent in discussions like these. It is difficult to communicate effectively when discussing from different foundations. Their are (at least) two very different worldviews, which become especially apparent in discussions like these. It is difficult to communicate effectively when discussing from different foundations.

]]> By: Dad http://chapmankids.net/blog/2009/06/18/dissension-in-the-ranks/comment-page-1/#comment-7582 Dad Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:38:26 +0000 http://chapmankids.net/blog/2009/06/18/dissension-in-the-ranks/#comment-7582 Luke, you did a way better job than I would have done. The kids and I actually talked about that a little. I felt like you were being very gracious while essentially being called a neanderthal and misleading the children. Even worse, people like us are the reason enlightened people look down on homeschool. I work hard to be tolerant of other viewpoints, but there comes a point when acceptance rather than tolerance is demanded. This seems a little like the evolutionism/intelligent design/creationism debate. There are many people who know that you could not have thought about it as much as they AND, if you have and STILL come to those silly conclusions than you are, by definition a mindless, snake handler. On the other hand it is not impossible that there are thinking people who esteem unschooling and cognitive psychology out there whose opinion I would respect. Luke, you did a way better job than I would have done. The kids and I actually talked about that a little. I felt like you were being very gracious while essentially being called a neanderthal and misleading the children. Even worse, people like us are the reason enlightened people look down on homeschool. I work hard to be tolerant of other viewpoints, but there comes a point when acceptance rather than tolerance is demanded. This seems a little like the evolutionism/intelligent design/creationism debate. There are many people who know that you could not have thought about it as much as they AND, if you have and STILL come to those silly conclusions than you are, by definition a mindless, snake handler. On the other hand it is not impossible that there are thinking people who esteem unschooling and cognitive psychology out there whose opinion I would respect.

]]> By: Luke Holzmann http://chapmankids.net/blog/2009/06/18/dissension-in-the-ranks/comment-page-1/#comment-7579 Luke Holzmann Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:54:51 +0000 http://chapmankids.net/blog/2009/06/18/dissension-in-the-ranks/#comment-7579 Ken, yeah, that whole thing had me a little down too... and I'm not even sure why. Partly it was the feeling of rejection that I don't want anyone to feel on my blog, partly it was me feeling like I was coming down too hard or, even worse, not fully grasping what was happening, and partly it was a bunch of other things. Good thoughts here, though I must admit that the start sounded a little like a buildup for a joke: A blog post about a comment on a post about a comment by a homeschooler... [smile]. I really love seeing conversations, but sometimes I'm just really sensitive. And I don't want to lose that because I like having empathy, but I don't want it to adversely affect what I say either... this blogging thing can be hard! [hesitant smile] ~Luke Ken, yeah, that whole thing had me a little down too… and I’m not even sure why. Partly it was the feeling of rejection that I don’t want anyone to feel on my blog, partly it was me feeling like I was coming down too hard or, even worse, not fully grasping what was happening, and partly it was a bunch of other things.

Good thoughts here, though I must admit that the start sounded a little like a buildup for a joke: A blog post about a comment on a post about a comment by a homeschooler… [smile].

I really love seeing conversations, but sometimes I’m just really sensitive. And I don’t want to lose that because I like having empathy, but I don’t want it to adversely affect what I say either… this blogging thing can be hard! [hesitant smile]

~Luke

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